other different kinds of impacts that you have from the stakeholders. i think israel is doing what it needs to do to negotiate as much as possible. but it is at a crossroad right now, and it needs to decide whether the primary objective is to bring home hostages and perhaps make concessions on other objectives to carry on with other objectives they have in regards to the war in gaza. >> are you in contact, or is the government in contact with you and your family with updates periodically or not? >> we are in contact with the government.

they keep us as much as they can. there are things they cannot provide us information about. as much as they can, they do. we do expect them to continue and push forward for a resolution, to negotiate a deal. it is clear to bring home 133 hostages from hamas dungeons, hamas terrorist organizations are holding them in terrible conditions, in tunnels, and they are exposing them to violence, abuse, and violence. we expect them -- it is part of the social contract because -- we have from state and citizens and it is part of what they need to do in order to ensure israel is getting the victory we need, which is not an empiric victory.

if we do not have the hostages back home with their loved ones, with us, the families, i do not think we will be able to recover and be the same society we were before october 7th. we will be resilient to face all the consequences. it will be a painful deal. we are dealing with, in my opinion, a maniacal terrorist organization, but we have to make concessions, and then rebuild our homes in southern israel, rebuild our homes in northern israel. we need to prepare for, perhaps, initiating a better future for both of us and our neighbors. >> thank you profoundly for a very thoughtful conversation. our thoughts are with you. your brother-in-law -- we hope that he is returned to you safely -- and soon. judging the prosecution of the president donald trial. whether i got off to a strong start. plus, the most interesting

witness waiting in the wings. msnbc world headquarters in new york -- welcome to -- we are looking at this pact calendar for trumper he will have his hush money trial on tuesday and on wednesday, he will go to wisconsin and michigan four campaign event. on thursday, judge juan merchan will hear his second attempt -- contempt hearing on gag violations. and then they do more friday. while we do not yet know which witnesses will testify against him next, michael cohen, stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, hope hicks, they're all among the highly anticipated witnesses who could be called to the stand. we have a lot of analysts covering all of these new developments. first, we will go to jake's

trailer. what can we expect this weekend in the new york hush money trial? >> alex, tuesday kicks off week three of the criminal hush money trial in manhattan and it likely will be really the first week where we will see this balancing acts from former president donald and it comes to the campaign and the courtroom. we have a lighter week on our hands. we will see the court in session on tuesday, thursday, and friday. on wednesday, trouble hit the campaign trail since the first time he has been a part of this hush money trial. he will go to michigan and also to wisconsin. these are two key swing states did win narrowly in 2016. he then lost them to biden in 2020 and they will be pivotal swing states for both candidates on their path to electoral victory when it comes to november. with what is taking place in the courtroom, there will be a couple things. one, we will see likely the witness list grow, those that will take the stand. we do not know who they will be, but we will see that number grow. also, we will look more at this

gag order hearing to see if the former president has violated the gag order of the course of this trial. i want to point to one interview that took place this morning with south carolina senator lindsey graham. he, like many republican leaders, fell in line with, really, the rhetoric of when it comes to these cases. he was asked point blank if he is convicted of a criminal case, would you still support him? i want you to let our viewers hear that answer real quickly. >> alvin bragg took a case that was rejected by the federal government to resurrect these misdemeanors. i think it is a political hit job on six months before the election. >> if he is convicted, you will still support him and vote for him? >> absolutely. i think what is going on with president donald is weaponization of the law. >> weaponization of the law, a

political hit job. these are not new phrases or words. we have seen him use the rhetoric and language from the very beginning, but it is another example of key republican leaders falling in line with the former president. when we see guests on the campaign trail, i'm curious to see how he balances talking what he loves to talk about, and the criminal trials, and talking to voters about the issues they really care about. >> we will see if that happens. thank you, jake. join me, a state attorney for palm beach county and perry stein, a reporter for the washington post. you spend some time in court last week. i welcome you both. week two has wrapped up with the two sides laying out their case. the jury getting a listen -- lesson in the unseemly practice of catch and kill journalism, if you want to call it that. was it a strong start for the prosecution? >> very. it is good to be with you and perry. i thought david pecker was a very powerful witness, better than i thought he would be.

first, he knows nothing. it is the -- maybe with some low-level employees who did the records. he was not part of any of it. well, david showed you were. you were in the room when it happened either literally or figuratively. he was part of the discussions that and cohen and had to create a whole scheme with not just stormy daniels, but others in the catch and kill idea of helping president donald 's campaign. karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald .

but here, you have david providing cooperation for what michael cohen is going to testify to. it is one thing to say you are a liar. it is another thing to say you are a liar, but everyone seems to cooperate your story. >> i got that hogan's hero analogy with the sergeant. one of the central themes of david testimony was the arrangement he made with president donald to have the parent company of the national mcdougal pay playboy model karen mcdougal $150,000 for her story, alleging she had a 10 month long affair with president donald , which began the year after he married melania. david pecker said that could be a campaign-finance violation, but that payment is not part of the criminal allegations against . why was it important? >> that was one of the more interesting parts, that you have david pecker saying he

knew working in coordination with the campaign to influence an election with payments like that -- that is illegal. he said he knew that. that was not part of the indictment, and part because never paid david pecker back. you hear david pecker say, he testified he did not pay me back for it. i think it is important in part because it is setting the stage, it is setting the state of mind that these men knew that, allegedly knew that all these payments, these payments to cover this up on the eve of the election was a violation of election laws. we also knew that david pecker had federal immunity, but he also testified this week that he did reach a deal with state prosecutors. he could testify to this without being afraid of legal record passions -- repercussions.

>> he was asked about the stormy daniels payment. michael cohen asked me to pay for the story, to purchase it. he said, i'm not purchasing the story. i will not be involved with a adult film star. i said i am not a bank. after paying out the doorman and karen mcdougal, we are not paying any more money the prosecution asked, how did michael cohen take that? david pecker said he was upset, that the boss will be furious at me and i should go forward in purchasing it. how could this exchange be beneficial to the prosecution's case? >> why would the national mcdougal be paying money out of his own pocket to the doorman, to karen mcdougal, just to kill stories? they are a for-profit newspaper that makes a living based on calling on celebrities with salacious stuff. it would help them if they published these stories. it makes no sense that they are paying out of their own pocket to bury the story.

why would they do it? they did it to help their guy out, . it was to help them get elected president, thinking there could be benefits down the line for them. this whole context matters. this shows this was not about protecting president donald 's family. it was about helping president donald get elected. >> the trial resumes tuesday with michael cohen's banker, gary farro, the third witness. what does his testimony provide and what you expect to hear from him this week? >> we just started friday afternoon. what you expect to hear from him is to show michael cohen was being extra discreet as he played around with these payments and these bank accounts. he is going to show these people knew what they were doing, included, and that they are trying to be secretive, to conceal these payments because that is the heart of this case, to get to these felony charges, that they were falsifying -- falsified business records to conceal other crimes

allegedly. i think they're going to use him to try to help establish this concealing. >> that is a good point. as the trial goes forward, they will have to look at the documents, the way the payments were paid out and what was criminal about president donald 's role in it, dave. how can the prosecution dig into that, to make it accessible to the jury? >> when you put on this powerful evidence at the beginning, david testimony, and you end with something that is memorable, but in between, you do the nuts and bolts, the boring stuff. you put a guide -- to show that michael cohen took a home loan out to pay this amount. why would a lawyer take out a loan to bailout his boss unless he was working with the boss to try to kill the story, to help his campaign. we are not that mad now minutes -- magnanimous. this comes to what i was saying

earlier, corroboration. he might be a flawed witness, but if the other evidence shows he is truthful, you have to believe in. >> judge merchan has scheduled the second hearing on president donald 's alleged gag order violations after the prosecution added another four incidents to 15. what is president donald rescuing by continuing to challenge the gag order? >> look, he said, as you mentioned, he is going on campaigns. he is going on the campaign trail on wednesday. the capacity for him to continue to break this keeps growing every time he is out there. look, he could get find $1000 every violation. that is chump change, not a big deal, however you could risk, really, getting this judge more mad at you. this is the judge that has to oversee this trial.

obviously, the prosecution wants the judge to remind him that if he continues to do this, he could go to jail. now, i am not making any predictions, but i do not think -- it safe to say we are nowhere close to that, but in theory that is a risk that could happen. >> okay, looking ahead, i want to ask you which witnesses you are most interested in hearing from. dave, you first, and why. >> unlike david, who has an community dale and has every incentive to work with the prosecutors, and unlike michael cohen, who hates donald and he has an asked to grind -- an ax to grind, hope hicks was an insider, steaming president donald 's clothes. she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if

only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael cohen and try to really take away his credibility in the eyes of the jury. from both sides on that one, it will be an interesting one and important one to watch >> a great chat. i would love to see you here again soon. thank you. their lives changed in an instant. the damage left behind for more than 100 tornadoes that touched down this weekend. we are back in 60 seconds. seco.

more breaking news. college student standing call is that -- solidarity vowing to give up their protest on campus is across the country.

this as jewish leaders and some lawmakers demand president joe biden to more to address what they say is a rise in anti- semitic incidents on campuses. saturday, more than 200 protesters were arrested at four colleges. students called on their schools to cut financial ties to israel and divest in companies they say are enabling the war in gaza. we are at ucla with adrian, where administrators have opted to take a rather hands-off approach to the protest. adrian, welcome. what are the demonstrations like? >> quite a different scene from what we have seen over the past few days. that once peaceful tone has shifted. in their last 30 to 40 minutes or so, a group of pro- palestinian demonstrators marched in what was scheduled to be a counterrally and the two sides have sort of clashed. you can feel the tension, but there has only been a bit of

shopping. earlier, ucla organizers set up barricades to separate the two. we are standing on this area which was scheduled for in -- an establish coalition. they had a counterrally and they raise a lot of money to bring in what you see behind me. they set up a speaker, the states, excuse me, with big speakers. they essentially silencing members of the pro-palestinian encampment. that encampment, just over my shoulder, you can see has been in place since thursday. now, it is covered by plywood. by contrast, i spoke with an organizer at the school, who says to the surprise of some people, they have the support among jewish students. listen in. >> this is largely run by

jewish students. there are many organizations in the coalition. several of them are explicitly jewish organizations. there is the passover seder. there's a broad, diverse coalition of members in our community. >> the common ground is both sides want to be seen and both sides want to be heard. behind us, you can see a couple sides peacefully talking, sharing their concerns. many of you might be wondering what is the issue? students not only on campus of ucla, but across the country want their universities to divest and the tensions continue to boil over what is happening in gaza. a moment ago, we heard one of the organizers say, hey, we want to hear from you. alex? >> a great perspective, adrienne broaddus it feels more tense than yesterday when you were on the campus. he will come back and check in with you again to see how things are going in the next hour. also breaking news as

another round of tornadoes come into parts of the midwest and plains overnight. oklahoma, hardest-hit with several massive tornadoes and three reported that it rounds out a weekend in which more than 100 tornadoes ripped through several states. marissa powers is joining the from sulfur, oklahoma. what are you seeing there? >> i can tell you a lot of devastation in the historic downtown part of sulfur, oklahoma. i want to first put this in perspective for those who have not been watching all the weather happening. over the past couple of days, friday, yesterday, today, over 120 tornado reports as many of the reports that we saw yesterday were during the nighttime and we have seen that is something historically that does prove to be fatal for people. that is twice as likely when we talk about those numbers and stats. in sulfur, i want to set the scene. the governor of oklahoma just arrived.

i want to show you what is going over my shoulder. a little hard to tell because you do have quite a few official cars. the governor's car is there and he is surveying the damage. if we are able to push in or show the video that we have gathered since we got here on the ground, you can see so much devastation within these blocks. businesses and homes, people, emotional as they walk through, surveying what is left. they're walking through, picking up their belongings. business owners telling me they had worked their entire lives and it was all reduced to rubble. this place behind me, the store owner in tears as he was looking at what was left. there is a lot of that happening, not just in sulfur. we have seen damage scattered in other places. we know -- those images are

striking. again, i cannot stress this enough. when we talk about what makes this so eerie is it was so difficult to see. a lot of people saying, even though they are in tornado alley and this is a place that is used to seeing tornadoes, people felt caught up card. they described getting into a safe place with seconds to spare. one woman told me she made it into the bathroom of the convenience store she worked in and she felt the walls crumbling around her. thankfully, she did get to a safe place just in the nick of time. everyone is your rating what -- year to rating what -- they never expected it to come and to knock on their own front door. a lot of people walking in. the cleanup is just beginning. >> this is heartbreaking and the aerials we have gotten, and the ones at nighttime, where you see the lights from the lightning and the storms lighting up the sky, then you see downed trees and the damage. it is pretty terrifying and hard to imagine what they are going through today. marissa paul rudd, excellent report. he has been inside the

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david -- david pecker is now a start witness in the new york hush money case. in a series of op-eds, jonathan alter says he is president donald 's a trash collector, who delivered devastating testimony against his old friend. joining me now is jonathan alter, a columnist and nbc contributor. you have the court room trial since the very beginning. you have witnessed his statements. why was his testimony so important? >> well, what david -- david pecker did was he contextualize the whole story. you set the table for the prosecution's case. remember, this is a guy who printed an awful lot of bs over

the years. when he got on the stand, he was a truth teller and came across very well and they could not break him on cross examination. so, the story he told was kind of the prelude to the crime. the crime in this case is alleged to be michael cohen and his boss, their boss, president donald , falsified business documents as part of a scheme to cover up the payment to stormy daniels so that she would not talk just before the election about their affair. it turns out that there was a precedent to all of this. there was a doorman at a owned building who is going to serve

as a story about having a love child. the story was not true, but he was paid just so he would not put it out there and hurt . in a more important prelude that we heard a lot about from david , karen mcdougal, who was president donald 's mistress for a 10 month period in 2006 and 2007, she was paid for her story, one or $50,000 -- $150,000 from david pecker with the approval from president donald and they killed her story, what they call "catch and kill." this was outlined in a way that will make the stormy daniel story that is at the heart of this case much more comprehensible for the jury and it pre-corroborated michael cohen's testimony. he will have a problem. on the stand, he will be cross examined and will present things he did in the past, like titling a book "revenge."

well, david pecker testified in a devastating way . he said that was his mentor and he is still considering him a friend. this made him much more believable for the jury because it did not seem like he was out to get . >> you have to imagine how he will react listening to michael cohen. did you see him reacting to anything said? >> on his first day of testimony, when it was clear that had the memory of an elephant, he could have gotten up on the stand and said, i do not remember anything. he did not do any of that. he remembered everything in great detail. from where i was sitting, the first day of his testimony, i see president donald glaring at him. and then, you know, later on friday, i had one of the best seats in the house directly behind , just about a dozen feet behind him.

i see the bald spot under the blind comb-over. it is actually a home back, just in the interest of accuracy. so, i see him and i also see him in the monitor, resting his eyes. i do not think he was nodding off during the david testimony. it is like he is in airplane mode. you know? he was not doing that. he was intensely, you know, interested in seeing whether his lawyer could break him and it turned out his lawyer made some mistakes and failed to breakon cross, which is a big development in this case.

it means that one of their star witnesses has come through for the prosecution in the first week. >> give me a sense of how much consulting president donald does with his attorneys. i mean, you see defendants at the table with their attorneys and they are talking to them and writing notes and showing them. to what extent does he do that ? does he look at the jury? the judge has given the multiple warnings about interaction with jurors, but that has not stopped him. he said he was glaring at david pecker. >> so, i think i would put him in the medium category in terms of how much he consults with his attorneys. he does not do it in an excessive amount, but he does sometimes. you will see him nodding after todd blanche or emile bovee whispered something to him and he would ask them a question. you can see that once in a while. the interesting thing with his interaction with the jury, which is a little bit different

from when he was rebuked by the judge during jury selection for making a comment about a juror and the judge got really irritated with him the first week of the trial and basically told his lawyer, tell your client he cannot do that anymore. now, he does not have that kind of interaction with the jury and does not say anything to them. when they come in and out in the morning and after lunch and sometimes the third or fourth time, they pass within three feet of him as they exit the courtroom and he has -- he is required to stand when the jury comes in and leaves. now, this is a very interesting small democratic moment, where a former president of the united states, who says he wants to be a dictator for a day, he has to stand in honor of 18 jurors, 18 citizens. and they file past him as if

they are soldiers, silent soldiers on their way to do their duty. not one of them steals a glance at . normally, in a trial climb sure you have seen this in court. when a jury comes in or out, they are joshing with each other. well, these folks are there to do their duty and they go right past and he is looking at them. i do not think he is glaring at them. and they are not looking at him. in that sense, it is something. >> excellent color and observations. thank you, jonathan alter. we appreciate it. coming up next, highlights up nerd prom 2024.

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kelly sat next to the presidents. vice president kamala harris also there. we have all the highlights. ali raffa? >> they not only celebrated freedom of the press, but it was also a reminder it is an election year with the commander-in-chief and the evening's headliner taking full advantage of the opportunity to

roast his two-time rival. >> to a free press. >> it was a night of glitz and glamour in washington. >> somebody complained i do not take enough of your questions. no comment. >> the president letting loose at the soap called nerd prom, where lawmakers and journalists mix it up with hollywood celebrities. celebrities like scarlett johansson and chris pine, giving them some star power. colin yost serving as the co- host. >> how refreshing it is to see a president of the united states at an event that does not begin with the bailiff saying a -- "all rise." >> reporter: they landed a few punchlines of their own. >> i am a grown man. i am running against a six-year- old >> before taking the gloves off to mock his 2024 rival. >> is so desperate he started reading those bibles he is selling. then he got to the first commandment, you shall have no

other gods before me. that is when he put it down and said this book is not for me. >> the annual white house correspondents dinner honoring the first amendment, marred by demonstrators outside, protesting the president's handling of the israel-hamas war. the unavoidable backdrop to his speech highlighting the need for fair and free journalism. >> there are some who call you the enemy of the people. that is wrong and dangerous. >> the president calling for the release of all americans held hostage overseas. including the wall street journal's -- >> we will not give up until we get them home, all of them. they actually are attending the dinner, shining a light on the over 300 reporters imprisoned around the world as of december of last year and the 97th -- 97

journals have been killed since the israel-hamas were began on the 27th. thank you. president joe biden finished his week being roasted and toasted by washington. earlier, he picked up a key endorsement from north american building trades union's and the group is out with a blistering new advertisement attacking former president donald , and here is just a taste. >> president donald is not capable of running anything, let alone the most powerful country in the history of the world. god help us if he gets anywhere near them in the future. >> joining me now, the president of laborers international union of north america, which is affiliated with the nabtu. when you talk to rank and file members of your union, are they as divided as a whole? how fully do they support your endorsement of president joe

biden? >> our members are reflected of the american people. we have democratic members and independent members and republican members. when we are with our members on the job site, in the community, and talk to them about all the great things that president joe biden has done for not just our youth, but for the american people, and the jobs he has created since he first came into office, they understand. look, there's a members that are always going to vote for president donald and always go through a republican candidate we have democratic members that will always vote for the democratic candidate. we have a large swath of members who are persuadable. when we talk to them, we are able to really communicate with them and they understand all

the positive things that this is administration has done for them in a short amount of time. >> i appreciate the diversity that you welcome, but talk about an endorsement like this, isn't the point of an endorsement to try to say, here is how we see this benefiting our work, our union workers. we think this person that we are endorsing is going to be the best for all of us as a whole. isn't that the message you are sending? >> absolutely. >> some are saying, yeah, i will be through and through because you have endorsed president joe biden. how do you try to change minds or do you just say, okay, i get it. you do you pick >> we do not say you do you. we are a labor organization and we want to talk to our members. when we do, we can tell them how joe biden has earned the endorsement and how he has created jobs through the infrastructure bill. he is bringing jobs to the u.s. they include union jobs. they understand it. the best place to talk to our members is on the job that was created by president joe biden

and his administration. even if they are not necessarily in joe biden's, when we are on the job site, going to jobsite all over this country, meet them where they are at. this bridge, this tunnel, this infrastructure job, this solar field, this chips billion manufacturing bill or plant, you are on the job because of the legislation that president joe biden passed. by the way, if he does not get reelected, i am worried as to whether -- what president donald will do if he gets a second term and trying to undo it. he said he will undo the infrastructure and health care for millions. he will undo manufacturing jobs that president joe biden has brought to this country. >> part of that that i played, he is the president of the nabtu. we all remember how the unions

have been optimistic about president donald making infrastructure a priority. there was the infamous infrastructure week . it never came to pass. what has been the impact on your union members of biden's infrastructure bill? i want to hear how they benefited from that and i guess the question is the white house doing enough to get that message out? >> the impact has been jobs, jobs, and more jobs. our members and support it. the first year in biden's presidency, go back. we were in the middle of a pandemic and he had the courage to pass, along with congress, 1.2 trillion-dollar infrastructure bills. it took a year and a half to get across the finish line and we are doing groundbreaking ceremonies. after that, our members can go to work and these are good jobs. these are careers in the construction industry. they are building bridges and tunnels. when 95 collapse, it was our members and building trade and

the -- building trade members who helped. so, we are working and when that is the best thing that we can say, when anybody says, hey, what has president joe biden done, he has created a job for us and he has created a job for hundreds of thousands of building trades members in his first three years. he has earned that endorsement and he has earned, from our perspective, the opportunity to finish the job, to see how many more jobs he can create. >> okay, i think part of what you just said might become of a biden campaign message. thank you very much for your time. my next guest just wrote a piece for the new york times. the looming decision that could get pro-choice voters to the polls. a look at oral arguments at the supreme court.

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we are waiting for ruling on whether idaho's near-total abortion ban violates federal law, requiring emergency care for every patient. they allow an abortion only to save the life of a pregnant woman, but not to prevent their health from deteriorating or serious injury or future loss of fertility. while justices seem prepared to allow the band to move forward, liberal justices, along with amy coney barrett, were concerned about the possible implications. >> a state tomorrow could say, even if death is around the corner, a state tomorrow could say even if there is an f toxic pregnancy, that is a choice of the state and they have nothing to say? >> the understanding is a humble one with respect to the federalism rule. they are the primary care providers. >> it might be too humble for yourself, you know? >> i want to bring in mary ziegler from the university of

carolina. and also -- welcome back. it is good to see you. the four female justices are the ones that pushed back hardest on this ban. that is still not enough for a majority. from what you observed, how do you expect the justices to rule? >> i think idaho is going to win. john robertson and brett kavanaugh also asked some challenging questions. maybe whenever moses up for grabs, but we know that the supreme court let idaho's law go into effect back in january, which signals at least at the time, the court was prepared to side with idaho. there is nothing eye-opening in the oral argument that convinces me they changed their minds, that they're going to win this case. what is interesting is how idaho will win this case. there was not really a cohesive theory that the other conservative justices had settled on. i think the substance of the

opinion, how big they are going to go, i think we may need to wait until june to find out. >> okay, let's get into one of the major points for the conservative justices with that concept of fetal personhood. depending on how they rule, could they give more legal credibility to this theory? >> they could. fetal personhood is a theory generally providing the word person in various legal texts, specifically the constitution, applies from the moment an egg is fertilized. this is primarily a constitutional theory. the court is not going to say anything about the constitution, but the justices may say that fetuses are persons for the purpose of this law, the emergency medical treatment. they are referencing some language that refers to a fetus or unborn child, right? it is not clear exactly what the statute is trying to accomplish. several of the justices like alito and gorsuch, they think that they could not provide

emergency access to life-saving abortion if it uses the word unborn child. it seems like a bit of a leap, that language does not tell us much. but you might see the court sort of start to record nice personhood in these statutory contexts. think about alabama and their ivf decision. it was not a constitutional decision, but about a wrongful step -- death statute. it can have high stakes, even when we are not talking about the constitution. >> let's go to arizona. house democrats passed a bill to repeal that 1864 abortion ban after a few republicans crossed the aisle to join them. the state senate is also expected to appeal that wall, but it will likely go into effect for a short period of time because under arizona law, appeals do not go into effect until 90 days after legislative session ends. does that mean backlash and

political consequences that they will continue, even though it has already been repealed, and what about women seeking abortions in the interim? >> yeah, it will be a very confusing thing. one thing we know from the sense -- once there is confusion, a lot of physicians are reluctant to provide care because they are afraid of criminal consequences. we know a lot of patients were reluctant to seek care in states where there is uncertainty. we would expect there to be a cloud hanging over arizona that will affect people in different ways. again, probably including people who are not seeking abortions, but who are seeking miscarriage management who are still going to find physicians. >> okay, real quickly, with the arizona and republicans now supporting that 15-week ban that passed in 2022, there is going to be an amendment on the november ballot to protect abortion rights. with that extended across 15 weeks?

>> possibly. arizona's ballot initiative is a reproductive freedom initiative. most of these initiatives have limited viability, not 15 weeks. the 15-week ban will likely violate that provision. the caveat, of course, and the reason i was more tentative is that ultimately the question about what is and is not constitutional under these new state provisions will be decided by the state supreme court. ultimately, those are the same people that upheld the 1864 law. while you think of 15-week ban might violate this amendment if it passes, there is ambiguity given it depends on the decision-makers. the arizona supreme court's decision could change, too. >> mary ziegler, it is nice to talk to you. at the top of the hour, looking to president donald 's next week in court. ourt. of e with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt.

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breaking news, president biden spoke with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu today, the second phone call

this month. erin gilchrest is at the white house. what can you tell us about the conversation?>> reporter: the call between the two leaders discussing developments in israel and in gaza. we are told the president reaffirmed his commitment to israel's security, particularly after the iranian strike on april 13. the call included conversations about securing the release of hostages still being held in gaza and an immediate cease- fire. there was also a conversation about increasing aid into gaza. particularly through a new crossing that should open this week, which would be a big opportunity for more medicine, food, water, things of that sort. there was one sentence that stood out. the very one at the end says

leaders discuss rafah and the president reiterated his clear position. we know of the past several weeks there has been a bit of distance between the biden administration and israeli prime minister's office on how israel should be executing its plan in rafah. the israelis have said they have made all the preparations and are ready to go after hamas inside rafah. we also know there are more than 1 million refugees. palestinians which have been placed into that space. israelis have said they are prepared to evacuate them as well. we know secretary of state tony blinken is in the air right now, on his way to saudi arabia where he will discuss several issues. he also plans to talk about israel's military operations as they relate to rafah. i want you to hear what the national security council spokesman john kirby have to say about that.

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